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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:02 am

The problem Cameleon is that you think that whoever these evil people are own the rights to symbols and hand gestures. They don't. Anyone can use them- and they only influence you negatively if you believe they do(if you don't know about them, then no they don't influence anyone, they only influence somebody who thinks they're evil.)

You have a very Eurocentric view of religion and those symbols. They don't own the rights to checkboards, they didn't invent the "wink", and you even went ahead and called SNSD a bunch of lesbos- I never thought of them that way for being close with each other- they're girls that live together for godsake. I guess I can't play checkers or chess because thats playing into the masonic game- I guess I should throw away my keyboard because there's 3 6's, one above qwerty, one on F6, and a 6 on the numpad on the right.

What confuses me is that if you have conviction in your religion(I am guessing you are christian) then none of this stuff should really bother you.

So what if some people in the music industry believe in satan? Satan has no power over you unless you give it to him- as a religious man myself I've always believed that.

If you believe in God theres nothing to be afraid of- all these satanic symbols HOLD NO POWER, its all an illusion. Anything satan promises is false- any promises he makes to his followers are false, they gain nothing and never did. How does seeing 666 influence anyone anyway? I don't want to do bad things to anyone or stop believing in God because of seeing those numbers- that's just something you chose to believe. I don't know anyone who ever did want to become close to Satan because of the stupid all seeing eye symbol, because of 3 6's, or anything else that means nothing.

Those videos give me no satanic influence, have you ever considered that perhaps you are creating things that don't exist(not in the sense that evil groups don't exist, but you are deciding in a quite arbitrary way who's affiliated with them). I could just as well say you're affiliated with Satanic groups for mentioning them all the time, or that your name is Cameleon- chameleons change colors...satan is a shape shifter - but that'd be just as silly and simple demonizing. But that's the same exact logic you're using- I can easily turn everything demonic if I wanted to the same way you do. With that kind of view theres no escape.

My little niece who is just 2 years old(and watches no TV and listens to no music) was doing those things that Sunny was doing with her hands- where did this Satanic influence come from? I mean come on. She's just being cute and making shapes with her fingers like all little girls do.

If you want to find Satan- go look at the hellfire missles that crash into villages in Northwest Pakistan/Afghanistan that kill women and children- or how Libya's gaddafi is completely crushing protestors with all kinds of firepower.(And believe me theres no media in those kinds of places giving them any Kanye west satanic influence)

The problem with focusing on things like this is you completely ignore real evil and suffering. That is what Satan is about- getting you to chase after an illusion so you have no time to give help to the real and more obvious problems in the world.(and no theres nothing wrong with promoting marijuana use, there IS a problem with putting people in jail for marijuana use)
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby advan » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:33 am

oh boy.. :)

same stuff different day huh?..haha.
where to begin here. yeah im not sure what is the most effective way to handle something like this. it might be best to not say anything..but in this case i feel somethings should be said.

How can we get you Cameleon to stop posting about nwo and snsd? you've gone over the top with your agenda. why dont you make your own single thread for nwo stuff and post all your findings there. Those that want to read it can look there. But really dont even do that.. just keep it off this forum completely, there are other forums on the internet for you to post whatever you want about those topics. please go there.

Because I think the majority does not want to read this. Youre not even posting for us relmers, you're posting for some other audience you think is reading this.

And moreso specifically it does not belong at all in this thread! Have some sense about you.

This thread was started as an snsd kinda spazz thread meaning we can share positive things about snsd and grow our value of them. And it generates a good energy and space we all can benefit from and use for positive effect.

You come in and try to take/steal from that..its selfish and its bs and its really lame. youre attempting to take ridiculous hits on natural alpha models that could be of great benefit to a lot of guys here. Think about that guys, stand up! That should not be tolerated. There's no place for that here. Your post is just violating the space here and should be deleted. Its misuse of the forum. Even forgetting the content of your post, its just straight up energy violation 101. Its just beyond the scope. Its so ridiculous in content too.

Like when I read it didnt even affect me. I was in a higher state to begin with. (aside: got attraction and phone number from a good looking classy prada whos got a lot of things going for her yesterday)

And I saw the post and was like oh this is a 'total timewaster'. Lower energy stuff is really weak. You cant even see how weak it is when you're caught up in it. I have drop down in state a bit now..just to communicate at this level. There are much higher states than what you're experiencing when you talk of nwo and all that stuff in the way that you do, it gets you swimming in murky cold waters. you want to truly beat the nwo? reach higher conscious states. work on your self-esteem. you wont get so caught up in every conspiracy you read on the internet. to do more things with your life that are worthy, you'll have to let go of nonsense. it'll just distort and warp your thinking. And you're not gonna get to the clear warm caribbean waters bringing that pollution in here.

here's an analogy. It's like guys are in the kitchen cooking, making salsa, and other stuff for the benefit of everyone. Then one guy comes in and starts peeing on the kitchen floor. The others are like dude, stop..dont do that here. We understand you have to pee but this isnt the place. Then the guy gets huffy and leaves but comes back later and takes a big crap all over the floor. And he's like 'see everyone..crap does smell' and he starts playing with it. And the other guys are like 'wtf?..just get out of here.' He's just being an unstable nuisance trying to disrupt the cooking process.

Multiple people are coming out and speaking against you. Plus all the others that would but dont want to even get involved with this type of energy, and/or waste time arguing idiocy. It's spam. If you do want to read cameleons posts of this type then please post and speak up for him. Who will stand up for you?

Sure we're all pretty non-egoic here and able to at least see things from different viewpoints.
But that doesnt mean we should just tolerate anything and everything. There has to be some standards.

We need better forum controls like the ability to block posts as spam. Really its only a couple incidents though here and there. Rion I hope you delete those posts from this thread and remove those ridiculous images.

And Rion I would support you 100% if you just banned Cameleon from the forum outright. If I ran this forum I would ban him. Maybe 3 strikes youre out, I dunno. How many you have so far lol? And yeah we'd miss your positive contributions but..sometimes you just gotta cut a guy loose.

Maybe give him a break, or let him come back after a while. But get your mind straight. Listen there's all sorts of stuff going on this world and things to choose from, you can make it your dream or your nightmare depending on what you focus on.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:43 am

Is everyone who uses the term guilty of NWO association?

I never said that, YOU did it.
Playing chess is not a masonic game Jonathon, please don't put words on my mouth.

I'm not implying that watching the videos means that you are gonna turn to Satan ip so facto.

0.o But nobody commented nothing on the Marijuana leaf !, mmmhhh.
Now, is it good to wear a marijuana leaf knowing that you have youngsters as fans???

And I know that it doesn't necessarily means that those kids will do it, but some COULD.

Besides I'm just commenting and posting info and photos, you DON'T. You just think that saying NO is enough to prove me wrong.

And I'm not doing the same as Morpheus did, he seems to be angry for not getting results with NG, so he just tried to bash NG, I DON'T. I'm just choosing carefully what I'm grounding to.

I'm not afraid of Satan, and I'm not giving value to those symbols and hand gestures, just exposing them.
And another thing to prove my point, you can watch on YouTube all the people using 666 in their nicknames, so, we can clearly see that the Elite is getting their goals, because in the future they will put a mark on people's right hands or on their foreheads. (Revelation 13, 16-18.)
So then, tell me. Who you think will be glad to carry that mark?

Nice. We can edit posts. Time to clean house jonathondd. I'm deleting all of Camaleon's paranoid posts. ^_^

Why does mpgamer talks about deleting my posts, well it could be because a lack of arguments. I don't see deleting posts as a valid reason.
If you delete my posts you're just giving me the reason, and proving me right.
If I don't like what mpgamer wrote I can reply, but it's not a valid reason just deleting his posts.

I found his last post more reasonable:
You know Cameleon, I was going to write a huge article on everything that is wrong with your theories but, I decided it was a waste of my time.

OK, I'm fine with that, no hard feelings!

BTW Jonathon, I've seen other muslims who are exposing also masons and the NWO. It seems like they're more aware on what's happening around them and perhaps know more about their beliefs.

P.S. Don't worry about banning me, I'll leave the forum soon (in the lapse of 1 or 3 months), all I ask is just don't edit or delete my posts, because I'd never delete or edit any post from anyone. And I've never insulted anyone on this site, and even if some people here don't like me, I don't hate you for that, that's why I've never insulted anyone.

There are people who are not registered and read this forum.

Blessings to all (suscribers and non-suscribers) in this forum.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby mpgamer55 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:26 am

Dude, I was just kidding about deleting your posts. Hence the ^_^ smiley.

Camaleon, you are taking stuff waaay too serious. I know its difficult to understand someone's tone on a forum but, I think you should relax more honestly haha.

You can post whatever trash you want on here but, I'm not going to support it. In my opinion, your theories are outlandish nonsense. But, they are your theories so you can continue to post them if you wish.

Personally, I'm focusing on more positive things.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:03 am

camaleon wrote:
Is everyone who uses the term guilty of NWO association?

I never said that, YOU did it.
Playing chess is not a masonic game Jonathon, please don't put words on my mouth.


Yes but you bring up the checkerboard floor in those pictures as if that can only be a masonic symbol. Why does it have to be affiliated with it? Its the same as if I said that a chess board also has masonic checkerboard patterns and that they are trying to influence you the same way.

camaleon wrote:I'm not afraid of Satan, and I'm not giving value to those symbols and hand gestures, just exposing them.


From my perspective it seems like you give value to those symbols by saying that those symbols and hand gestures are affiliated with Satan in the first place. They aren't unless you want them to be- just like having a relationship with porn is only sexual if you want it to be. I could find evidence of satanic symbols in nearly everything on this earth if I did it the same way you are- in the grass, in cloud patterns, but its not real.

camaleon wrote:And another thing to prove my point, you can watch on YouTube all the people using 666 in their nicknames, so, we can clearly see that the Elite is getting their goals, because in the future they will put a mark on people's right hands or on their foreheads. (Revelation 13, 16-18.)
So then, tell me. Who you think will be glad to carry that mark?


People do it because of sensationalism and because they also mock the symbols- they know they'll get a reaction out of it because so many people attach some type of value(negative or positive) to those numbers. Don't react to it- and it means nothing. Revelation 13(16-18) is being quite literal, anything else that carries 666 isn't the same thing.

camaleon wrote:BTW Jonathon, I've seen other muslims who are exposing also masons and the NWO. It seems like they're more aware on what's happening around them and perhaps know more about their beliefs.


If they want to involve themselves in that, that's fine its their business- but going by Quran there's really no point in trying to expose anything on this level. A believer needs only need remind people towards God- what they do afterwards is up to them- and the Empires and evil groups that rise and fall throughout history have no real significance since they will always be temporary- and so their power is just an illusion.

You see when someone exposes how the relationship someone has with Social alphas or porn can damage them negatively- its very obvious how it changes one's values. But I really do not see(and you have yet to explain, hence the confusion), what influence the masonic symbols have at all. I mean come on- you associated winking with the all-seeing eye, is that really fair at all? What could seeing someone wink possibly do. Is it only a masonic symbol if winking is seen in a music video? I mean I'm just asking for clarification here because what you've been implying is that groups like SNSD are pretty much in satan's gullet. When I watch them I feel happy and I feel lots of love for people- that seems very heavenly to me. If those symbols had any real power of influence- the story would be very different.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby Rion » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:17 am

personally i'm against the crapping in the kitchen (great analogy) however BECAUSE this is a great relational mastery lesson it will stay and that's only b/c it's relational mastery itself otherwise i wouldn't tolerate what i see as lower level fabrications of irrelevance.

i'm siding with the power of objective observation and relational mastery here. it forces each of us to have more clarity on what we allow and don't allow during our actual experiences outside of here.

you'll attract what you value. does what you value lead to higher or lower consciousness?

i'm with the higher and against conspiracy theories personally whether there is even a shred of truth or not (ie. looking at a shadow on the wall and proclaiming it evil, etc.) it's just lower consciousness and taints the real, egoless value if you let it.

you know which side of the issue i'm on. you don't have to let anything of lower consciousness actually taint your experiences of grounding itself men..this is only a more advanced relational mastery lesson in letting go and not being affected by it (although points can be made).
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby advan » Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:28 pm

Ok at least Rion has sensibility and is able to recognize that what I am saying is pretty much a textbook relm perspective, when you recognize that you'll see that it does make sense.

Yeah I really like the salsa analogies and also the kitchen one, I use them in a lot of different situations and they really add clarity.

Leave the writing of the posts if you just have to..I still think at least the images portion should be removed. (Its one thing to post a url link but to paste a series of images like that is too much) and it still can preserve a great lesson.

Because you dont just leave the crap lying on the kitchen floor and keep cooking.
No you still take appropriate action. You scoop it up and flush it. You can release the feelings behind the situation, (and I have been haha).
But you still take the right action.

Obviously I'm not going to read or look at those posts ever but others may unknowingly step in it and it kind of spoils the thread. If they were a url, then readers could exercise more choice if they wanted to click them.
Its just the principle of the matter.
I think here is one place where we value natural alpha and the integrity of it.

Because its like I synergize with snsd at very high alpha levels, states of grounding, healing, egolessness, peak state. Do you guys not??
I take it seriously maybe not enough of you do otherwise I think it would be clearer, the consensus would demand more respect and just not accept that.
It doesnt have to be a big deal even, but its like cmon..

It seems strange even to me that I would have to fight so hard to protect natural alphas here in relm forum of all places. Maybe I have too high expectations of guys here. I dont let people take hits on my natural alphas in my own energy. This is more than just a simple critique going on though. Personally I can deal with it. And when I have the opportunity to protect the environment as well I will. I do protect and defend snsd and its like I dont want to see this on my watch.

On one hand you could see it a test of your relm. But just because youre non-ego doesnt mean you let someone really overstep and talk nonsense agenda (even if it is weak, irrelevant and in poor taste). And the pleading and squirming logic that deleting stuff would only prove that they are right..sorry I dont buy that. Its a great excuse to be a total ass with no consequence.

I would hope Cameleon himself would step up in character and delete the images. (I guess I do
have high expectations). Or Rion please reconsider it. The point is somebody get it done.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jared2010 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:35 pm

Everyone has a right to make a mistake.
Everyone has a right to learn from their
mistakes. Whether it applies on this thread,
I really don´t know... And I dunno everything,
that´s one thing I do know. :!:

"Decide just how much anxiety a thing may
be worth and refuse to give it more."
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby mpgamer55 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:41 am

Advan, we all love SNSD. Some of their newer songs are alot more social but I still love them.

Camaleon is only hurting himself believing in such nonsense. If he wants to focus on that kind of thing then let him. Is it annoying? Sure. But, he has the right to his own opinion. No matter how ridiculous it is.

You have to be stronger in your beliefs so this doesn't bother you as much. To me it's actually pretty hilarious someone would believe something so outrageous.

I mean we've all had breakthroughs and realized new things with Relm but Camaleon is just making shit up. Haha. He's twisting things to meet his own agenda. And I think that's clear to anyone reading this thread. Unless they are also a paranoid religious conspiracy theorist.

This isn't my forum so I can't say what goes. But, it is negative to dwell on such things so I suggest everyone just move on to better things. And I really hope the best for Camaleon as well.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby SMode » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:05 am

I have met quite a few people who enjoy wasting their time just like him(camaleon)...and if you`ll take just a few minutes off of your precious NG time to check if what they("conspiracy theorist") are saying(no matter how annoying it is) has some truth to it before prematurely ejaculating your opinion everywhere on my thread(like a complete idiot hehe) about them being "completely wrong"...who know`s you might discover THAT THE EARTH IS NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE, MARIJUANA IS THE CURE FOR CANCER AND A PILL THAT WILL GET YOU GROUNDED INSTANTLY(haha).......

SERIOUSLY DONT CALL SOMEONE WRONG JUST BASE ON STRONG FEELINGS...THAT`S how a billion people is kept a slave to the "Social Matrix".
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby mpgamer55 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:39 pm

Wow, I'm fucking done with this thread. Way too much drama here haha.

There's no real evidence that SNSD are some kind of satanic cult. Just a conspiracy showing widely used symbols with multiple meanings that could also be construed in a religious context as satanic.

Even if SNSD are satan worshipers (which they aren't) I don't really care. I'll ground to them regardless because I don't care about their personal traits. Their natural feminine energy is beyond their egoic inner preferences. The power of nature is greater than any man or woman or their belief in the devil.

I thought I was being fair in respecting Camaleon's opinion, even though I think it's wrong.

Feel free to delete my posts if you are that offended by my statements.

But, yeah I'm done with this thread and I actually do have some precious NGing to do. :mrgreen:

Peace out!
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby SMode » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:22 pm

Why are you being defensive by saying their is no evidence...all I am saying is dont judge...anyways... to me even if they are it is completely irrelevant...I will take the good(there natural feminine energy) and leave the bad(BS,...etc)...
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby mpgamer55 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:41 pm

I don't see any legitimate evidence. Just some winks, ok signs, stars, and checkerboards that don't have a damn thing to do with satanism. Of course I could change them to make them satanic like the images Camaleon showed.

But, I could do that with virtually any image. I could warp it to be satanic. I could say that Camaleon's negative energy towards SNSD is in it self an act of the devil. I could say a demonic possession has altered his thinking and created a negative focus. Then photoshop a pic of Camaleon doing some pose that I deem satanic. I could say that Camaleon brought up the NWO to further its cause.

But, that would be damn silly of me wouldn't it?

Again, we both agree its irrelevant so I don't know why we are arguing here.

I didn't hijack your thread. Camaleon did when he posted his theories, which were decidedly off-topic. The topic here being... I want to explode. :)

I apologize if I disrespected anyone on the forum. I'm just speaking my opinion and you have every right your opinion as well. Including your opinion that I'm an idiot.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby advan » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:55 am

SMode whats with you and pre-ej? ('you want to explode..hehe')
be clear on who youre calling an idiot.

im not putting a blanket label on conspiracy theorist. some things that would be considered 'conspiracy' by mainstream, i think are true or have some elements of truth.

that does not mean that they are all true. that does not mean that every thing you read on a website is accurate or even remotely close. i think many are straight up false and fabricated.

it is a charged topic of discussion, its natural for guys to have an emotional reactions about it. shit, well i did. mpgamer55 you're not an idiot. i dont think Cameleon is an idiot either.

and i'm not saying Cameleon is wrong because of strong feelings. Im saying hes wrong because i can look at both logically and with intuition from a clear mind. I have concluded this allegation is
completely false.

regardless it was out of place and excessive with a low blow..
seeing that out in the open was to me was not appreciated.

i am sensitive to snsd, and i do get great results with snsd. i love snsd, theyve helped me heal a lot of stuff with my relationship to all women. the least i can do is stick up for them when someone talks bad about em. and request that they are represented respectfully.

ok maybe i used too strong emotion in my responses, i apologize if that emotion stirred things up too much for everyone around here. well i can learn from that. im not used to defending people from being called the devil or whatever it is ..thats not part of my reality.

well thats about it, im done speaking on this topic.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby SMode » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:34 am

I said like a complete idiot...I didnt say you are.

I love SNSD probably just as much as any of you

all I`m saying is that when someone makes a claim, back it up with sometype of evidence....

get emotional I dont care just back it up with some thing.

Dont just say...I know him all my life he would never do something like that base on my logical and emotional brain, reality....is not an evidence.


Camaleons claim in simple layman`s term is basically.
SNSD flashes a lot of Masonic Symbolisms...and
Mason is a Satanic Cult... That is it...atleast he back it up.

Does that mean SNSD worship the Devil? NOOO! You're a good swimmer therefore you are a fish. NOOOOO!

I`m defending the reason to be reasonable...ok....you guys are being such cry babies...hehe
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