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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:19 am

Some people don't read carefully what I wrote.

If you read well I said that winkin an eye is "OK".
AGAIN: winkin an eye is "OK" That's just flirtin stuff.
But, I don't like the other gestures, that's just my point of view, take it or leave it.

A checkerboard pattern is not by itself evil, but masons take stuff with double meanings.

Or then you could said that using a swastika is OK, I mean is just an ancient asian symbol, why don't we all use them, it's a little different but let's be brave and start using them!

I NEVER impose my point of view, I'm sharing my thoughts. I've never said: DON'T WATCH THEM ! DON'T WATCH THEM !
'Cause I know that everybody has the freedom of choice, and that's a God's gift, and if God DO NOT oblige anyone to believe in him, why would I do the opposite?

Oh yes SMode, and all the marijuana users use it just as medicine. LOL

Besides, you're not only accusing me, you're accusing Rion. Why? Because he always say that a natural alpha has to be "PURE".
Now Rion must to redefine the term PURE.
And if being pure includes showing drug related stuff, kissing girls each other (or even hinting about it) then you all would be right of accusing me of doing something wrong.

Or, why you just say that all that counts is femininity and case solved!

If that image of the marijuana leaf is almost imperceptible could be considered subliminal or semi-subliminal. Like it's kind of hidden.

Now, is it right? Why do SNSD producers don't show it more clearly and/or more seconds?
I mean what do they fear, why not doing it all the way like some hip-hopers and/or rastafarians?
And that has nothing to do with Relational Mastery, it has to do with ethics, and if you want your natural alphas showing those hidden or semi-hidden content, that's good for you, but not for me.

Watch it as an ethic question, let's forget religions for a moment and ask yourselves sincerely: Is it Ethic to promote marijuana and/or hinting about lesbic relationships?

P.S. I never said SNSD are satanic, could it be or couldn't be.
But are you 100% sure that they are not?
Do you live with them?
Have you seen them face to face?
And no, I'm not 100% sure also of them being satanic, but I'm watching some hints.
Maybe you think that all satanic people eat children and stuff, ha, ha.

Peace.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:58 am

camaleon wrote:Watch it as an ethic question, let's forget religions for a moment and ask yourselves sincerely: Is it Ethic to promote marijuana and/or hinting about lesbic relationships?

Or then you could said that using a swastika is OK, I mean is just an ancient asian symbol, why don't we all use them, it's a little different but let's be brave and start using them!

P.S. I never said SNSD are satanic, could it be or couldn't be.
But are you 100% sure that they are not?
Do you live with them?
Have you seen them face to face?
And no, I'm not 100% sure also of them being satanic, but I'm watching some hints.
Maybe you think that all satanic people eat children and stuff, ha, ha.

Peace.


When it comes to SNSD, if you do a quick google search their members are listed mainly as Christian.

Of course no one can be 100% sure about something like that- but with that logic, doesn't that mean I can't be 100% sure if you are satanic or not? You sure talk about it all day so that gives me a hint.<- This isn't about you personally but its about the methodology you use to reach conclusions that I find faulty. You could say that whoever you don't live with is possibly a satanist, so potentially 99% of the world is satanist how could we possibly know? I don't see the point of judging people that way.

If we leave religion and just speak of ethics...what is wrong with Marijuana even if it isn't for medicinal use? You haven't mentioned why its bad. The only negative part about it is the legality issue and even that is only a recent thing in this world's history and has absolutely zero to do with the safety of the drug. Alcohol and cigarettes are much more dangerous and caused many more deaths than marijuana has ever done. Marijuana is much safer than those, and I'd say even safer than ibuprofen or caffeine. There is nothing unethical about using that plant- what is unethical is prohibiting its use just because it doesn't suit your taste.

The idea of "hinting" of lesbian relationships is more about something personal for you Camaleon in the way you are viewing it. You see women hinting about lesbian relationships, I see 2 girls just playing around. Women easily connect with each other and get very playful in many ways. I don't view it as a lesbian anything but you do. You can keep looking at it that way if you want, but I've seen many girls play around like that and they aren't lesbian, bi-sexual, or anything and don't even think of it that way. They just think of it as being playful, not sexual in anyway shape or form. As men we wouldn't be connecting in that manner, but thats why we're men you know, we connect with different means.

See now when you bring up the swastika, that's what tells me how you have a very eurocentric view of the world and its no wonder you could be confused. The Swastika symbol is still used in asian countries- in the west it has a negative connotation built up, but for other people it doesn't. So you have to see things for how they are depending on where you are. For example- this is a popular children's comic in japan where the main character is using a weapon that has the swastika
symbol.

http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/59855082/3

They don't see it as a Nazi symbol since its been around way before the Nazi's, and they don't let other people(westerners) deciding what something means for them. Just because the Nazi's wanted to use a sanskrit symbol doesn't mean they have a worldwide patent on its use. Its a taboo here in the west- but leave western taboos to the west, don't pretend the whole world wants to associate a swastika with Nazi's the way we do here. They want to keep associating it the way they've been using it. The swastika is used over in the east all the time on buses, clothes, all sorts of things. Its a symbol of good fortune.

The reason we don't use them here is because we know people's feelings will be hurt because it brings up bad memories. But in other places in the world no one feels that way so its just fine.

I guess what I'm trying to ask you to do is see things from other people's perspective. You're looking at videos that were not produced in the west, what comes off as satanic to you and to the masons may have nothing to do with their culture.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:03 am

The only negative part about it is the legality issue and even that is only a recent thing in this world's history and has absolutely zero to do with the safety of the drug. Alcohol and cigarettes are much more dangerous and caused many more deaths than marijuana has ever done. Marijuana is much safer than those, and I'd say even safer than ibuprofen or caffeine. There is nothing unethical about using that plant- what is unethical is prohibiting its use just because it doesn't suit your taste.

Alcohol and cigarrettes were banned a lot of years ago, now is OK for some to smoke and drink and now is permitted and you're telling the bad consequences, I mean you're proving my point :D
And many times marijuana leads to harder drugs and that is A FACT.

Women easily connect with each other and get very playful in many ways. I don't view it as a lesbian anything but you do.

I know that. But now, if that's Ok, why don't you do the same with your male friends (hinting like you're about to kiss your friends), perhaps you don't see it as a gay thing!

You can keep looking at it that way if you want, but I've seen many girls play around like that and they aren't lesbian, bi-sexual, or anything and don't even think of it that way. They just think of it as being playful, not sexual in anyway shape or form. As men we wouldn't be connecting in that manner, but thats why we're men you know, we connect with different means.

But you don't watch the things in the proper context, I mean if you see any girl next door doing that, then who cares, but too many children and teens are watching those videos, and they don't think as you or me, they mainly go "monkey see monkey do" mentality.
That's why there are more and more TV shows and movies with gay characters, and they're 'funny' and they only show good traits, so you get the idea that they're good people just for the fact of being gays. And guess what, many people believe that. That's the power of the media.
At least here Rion have pointed out that negative tendency about the media showing everyday more and more gay shows.

that's what tells me how you have a very eurocentric view of the world and its no wonder you could be confused.

Well, as far as I know we're not living in the East, DO WE???

I guess what I'm trying to ask you to do is see things from other people's perspective. You're looking at videos that were not produced in the west, what comes off as satanic to you and to the masons may have nothing to do with their culture.

Nope!
I mean, what I'm seeing lately is eastern people using western masonic weird symbols on Music videos.
And why do you think it's called New "WORLD" Order ???

I've researched and there are Lodges even in Thailand, So we can see then that "eurocentric" view of the world is reaching the East!

And you think it's nice to me to post that?
NOOO.
And it's not nice the way other idol groups begin so tender and innocent, but gradually (that's the main producers movement as it takes people's resistance away) they're turning more and more 'social' and less innocent.

There's the concept of good and evil EVEN in eastern cultures (again do a research and judge for yourself).
So, for example, there are christians in Korea, but these producers and/or K-Pop stars don't care, here is the proof:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=4268
I mean, if they don't believe in Satanism,
What's the point of doing Satanic videos?
Just for "fun"?
Now, is offending minorities beliefs OK?
So then, is it OK to laugh about the Qur'an
just because I don't believe in it?

I used to love SNSD, even though I don't hate them, I feel pity for them, maybe they don't know the meaning of those symbols (well perhaps the Pot leaf, I mean at least some people could tell her what is that).
But on the other hand some people here are putting them on a pedestal, or feel offended like if they were their sisters or their girlfriends, now I don't see any difference between SNSD 'normal' fans and some guys here, getting too personal about an illusion, perhaps the more you'll get close with them will be a handshake or an autograph and that will be all.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:57 pm

camaleon wrote:Alcohol and cigarrettes were banned a lot of years ago, now is OK for some to smoke and drink and now is permitted and you're telling the bad consequences, I mean you're proving my point :D
And many times marijuana leads to harder drugs and that is A FACT.


The point was that if you don't like marijuana because of its legality- there's no logic behind that. The worse consequences was when alcohol was illegal, prohibition created many new dangerous gangs and didn't do anything to stop alcohol abuse(made it worse since low quality moonshine was created). Marijuana does not lead to harder drugs, any studies I've read regarding that have very weak correlations, might as well say that playing basketball leads to harder drugs. I haven't done anything outside of Marijuana, have no urge to, and I know tons of people the same way.


I know that. But now, if that's Ok, why don't you do the same with your male friends (hinting like you're about to kiss your friends), perhaps you don't see it as a gay thing!


Again- the whole point is men and women connect with each other a bit differently. What you're saying is akin to thinking that most sports promote gay behavior since a coach will slap a football player on his behind.

But you don't watch the things in the proper context, I mean if you see any girl next door doing that, then who cares, but too many children and teens are watching those videos, and they don't think as you or me, they mainly go "monkey see monkey do" mentality.
That's why there are more and more TV shows and movies with gay characters, and they're 'funny' and they only show good traits, so you get the idea that they're good people just for the fact of being gays. And guess what, many people believe that. That's the power of the media.
At least here Rion have pointed out that negative tendency about the media showing everyday more and more gay shows.


You are adding some massive hyperbole to the clips you're referring to. Female Children and teens play around like that naturally. Promoting gay behavior on TV is very very different from the SNSD clips you're talking about- that's the distinction I think you're not making.


Well, as far as I know we're not living in the East, DO WE???


Well yes, but once you realize people have different values it doesn't make sense to get upset at something that isn't even trying to project a certain view. For example- if a swastika is used in an eastern music video, there's no reason you should view that as a nazi promoting video- since you know that's not where they are coming from- and it'd just be plain fearmongering to say that they are. Why judge from where you are coming from and see where they are coming from first?

Nope!
I mean, what I'm seeing lately is eastern people using western masonic weird symbols on Music videos.
And why do you think it's called New "WORLD" Order ???

I've researched and there are Lodges even in Thailand, So we can see then that "eurocentric" view of the world is reaching the East!


But those symbols are much older than even the masons, and I don't even think they're using masonic imagery thats just your own projection of the symbols you focus on a lot. Like I remember the hexagram video that came up- that has a completely different meaning in thailand than it does here. The video is called New "World". Its not called a New World order. That's just you throwing that in! You're forcing all these connections. The phrase "New World" isn't copyrighted by New World Order. There's lots of institutions and creative works that use the words "New World"- do you really believe that they all are linked to the New World Order?

There's the concept of good and evil EVEN in eastern cultures (again do a research and judge for yourself).
So, for example, there are christians in Korea, but these producers and/or K-Pop stars don't care, here is the proof:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=4268
I mean, if they don't believe in Satanism,
What's the point of doing Satanic videos?
Just for "fun"?
Now, is offending minorities beliefs OK?
So then, is it OK to laugh about the Qur'an
just because I don't believe in it?


You just have to understand that Eastern cultures(especially where bhuddism/shintoism are popular) are very fascinated by Abrahamic religions. This is nothing new. Look back on their history of cartoons, movies, even videogames- Abrahamic religions and churches are treated as something very "other worldly" and all kinds of imagery that stems from that is used constantly. Just like how western culture treats religions like Voodoun and the Native American religions as something "different and otherworldy", I'm sure our views of those religions hurt people's feelings too. But that wouldn't make those people behind the productions evil, just ignorant.

That doesn't make them Satanists. You might see it as blasphemy, but they just see it as having artistic direction in a substance other people can relate to. Yes it is just for their own sense of enjoyment(and can definitely be based in ignorance, I didn't say you have to condone it). If you laugh about Quran that's your choice to make- its not going to hurt my feelings. I certainly wouldn't think of you as a Satanist, I wouldn't judge you on how you came to your conclusions in that way.

I used to love SNSD, even though I don't hate them, I feel pity for them, maybe they don't know the meaning of those symbols (well perhaps the Pot leaf, I mean at least some people could tell her what is that).
But on the other hand some people here are putting them on a pedestal, or feel offended like if they were their sisters or their girlfriends, now I don't see any difference between SNSD 'normal' fans and some guys here, getting too personal about an illusion, perhaps the more you'll get close with them will be a handshake or an autograph and that will be all.


Hey I don't see the point in people getting personally insulted by what you're saying- I'm not. I'd just like you to see how they're not trying to show you what you think they are. I don't think they're using masonic symbols, they're using symbols that have always been around. Now I know TV shows are trying to influence people in a certain way. But I really think you're looking at it from the way you, personally, view the world. I don't think those SNSD girls are being influenced by anything masonic.

What I'm trying to say in totality is that nothing will influence you unless you've attached certain beliefs to it. If I believe porn and social alphas to real symbols of sex- then it will affect me negatively. If I don't- then it will have absolutely no effect. In the same way, if you believe masonic imagery to be ever-present, then it will affect you and you'll see the images everywhere even when they literally don't exist in reality.(Such as when you added in the word "order" to New World).
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:33 am

might as well say that playing basketball leads to harder drugs

Nobody says that, show me an article pointing out that.
[/quote]I haven't done anything outside of Marijuana, have no urge to, and I know tons of people the same way. [/quote] Mmmmh, now I see clearly. And I'm not shocked. I think you couldn't live in any muslim country. Well, maybe in Turkey (there are more liberals).

What you're saying is akin to thinking that most sports promote gay behavior since a coach will slap a football player on his behind.

Nope! Why don't you put it like that: What you're saying is akin to thinking that most sports promote gay behavior since a coach will hint about kissing a football player in the mouth.

Promoting gay behavior on TV is very very different from the SNSD clips you're talking about- that's the distinction I think you're not making.

Is not very very different, I mean all that gay think didn't came out suddenly or overnight, all the changes not just gay things but all sexualization on the media comes G-R-A-D-U-A-L-L-Y, otherwise all that sexual oriented tendencies could have been stopped in its tracks by the citizens. The proof is that now you can see SNSD girls looking more 'social' and like they're the prize. Am I right? I mean I'm putting a very clear example.

For example- if a swastika is used in an eastern music video, there's no reason you should view that as a nazi promoting video-

BTW, I can't remember any eastern video showing a swastika. Interesting. (not trying to prove anything here just a comment).

But those symbols are much older than even the masons, and I don't even think they're using masonic imagery thats just your own projection of the symbols you focus on a lot. Like I remember the hexagram video that came up- that has a completely different meaning in thailand than it does here. The video is called New "World". Its not called a New World order. That's just you throwing that in! You're forcing all these connections. The phrase "New World" isn't copyrighted by New World Order. There's lots of institutions and creative works that use the words "New World"- do you really believe that they all are linked to the New World Order?

Do you know why masons use those older symbols? Because they're trying to unify all religions and mainly old pagan traditions (some demonic ones): http://www.archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil I'm not forcing anything! I know that Not all institutions are linked but some, check this out, why a very important bank (elite people) has masonic and weird imagery? Coincidence? Analysis of the Occult Symbols Found on the Bank of America Murals: http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5638 Now, ask yourself, Why these institutions (banks, MTV, etc) share those symbols? Coincidence? If you can control the financial world and the media you can have a very heavy influence on the minds of the people.

But that wouldn't make those people behind the productions evil, just ignorant.

OMG ! You're calling SNSD more than ignorants !
If you call the producers ignorants, what are SNSD girls then?
Now, seriously, I think you mentioned something important here, even satanists and high degree masons think they're good people, even if they're promoting drugs and other things, why? Because some of them think that Lucifer is the good one and that YHWH is the evil one. You see some of them have very twisted views of core concepts like good and evil, and that's because they came from an old lineage of satanists, I mean they think that waht they're doing is right (when that's not the case). Or also means that elite western people controls them.

That doesn't make them Satanists. You might see it as blasphemy, but they just see it as having artistic direction in a substance other people can relate to.
Artistic direction???
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=4268
Did you see that Narsha video: Narsha’s video Bbi-Ri-Bop-A:
Narsha is wearing Jesus Christ’s crown of thorns in front of a solar halo.
Narsha is dressed like the Virgin Mary.
Narsha changes into a crow.
Narsha stops and unfolds big black wings, in a tribute to Lucifer, the Fallen Angel. Only a blind can't see it !
and can definitely be based in ignorance
Nope, there's no ignorance there, there are many christians, well not the majority of the Korean population but it's growing, and just because the people who has more power are not christians (this is obvious) then they do those videos.

But I really think you're looking at it from the way you, personally, view the world. I don't think those SNSD girls are being influenced by anything masonic.
Believe me, I'm not the only one, I know that many are seeing the same. Perhaps the girls don't know these symbols, maybe they didn't care, anyway they're famous and they get paid. Perhaps they don't care to wear less clothes and to show more skin, maybe they don't care to wear a necklace with a weed leaf, as fame is like a drug (so addictive), at least they earn a good amount of money and they're always in the spotlight.

What I'm trying to say in totality is that nothing will influence you unless you've attached certain beliefs to it. If I believe porn and social alphas to real symbols of sex- then it will affect me negatively. If I don't- then it will have absolutely no effect. In the same way, if you believe masonic imagery to be ever-present, then it will affect you and you'll see the images everywhere even when they literally don't exist in reality.(Such as when you added in the word "order" to New World).


I've to agree with you on that about that nothing will influence you unless you've attached certain beliefs to it. Now the masonic, illuminati imagery does not have any influence on me. Why? Because I KNOW IT. And you could say, but before camaleon said anything about the NWO I didn't give that shit any value! Yes, but that's partially true, 'cause the aim of the Elite is that you love those symbols by association, I mean, the human mind associates certain people with certain circumstances whether good or bad.

The same happen with symbols: watching cute girls displaying masonic and satanic signs and symbols creates that association in the mind, but more on the subconscious side. And I come again here wit the example about the sports' stadiums, why do you think publicists pay thousands of dollars of advertisements if people don't go to the stadiums to watch ads???

And if you ask them about the adverts there, almost no one could mention even 1 brand, but then they go out when the match ends and bought something their subconscious mind caught, but again if you ask them why, they can't tell why they chose that brand, they think is 'their' choice, but is not their rational choice.
And the symbols play a big role, as they're the 'bond' to unify people and give them the sense of belonging. That's why there are different nations unified with a flag, your language, etc., even though they're just mental concepts they give you a certain identity.

The thing is that you believe that they have to put always the whole phrase "New World Order", perhaps you think they have to tell you clearly what it is the NWO all about, ha, keep dreaming.

Is better for them to do the indoctrination in stealth or semistealth mode, that way there'll be less resistance.

I'd better stay alert, staying alert is not the same as being paranoic, and as I've been saying here many times I have no fear, but I know that I'm not gonna do (receive the mark of the beast), but sadly according to the Bible many people are gonna be deceived, because the future world leader will bring peace and other good things, but what many people are not gonna realize is that previous to that peace they (the Elite) created the war and the chaos. Remember the masonic trait about Order out of Chaos? Or Thesis, Antithesis, Sinthesys?

Now, it could be that we'll not be here when all that happens, I'd rather be alert. P.S. This has been too egoic (too much thinking involved), but after that I feel very relaxed, I think something similar happens with scientists and people that uses their brains a lot, it's also similar when you exercise your muscles, after the physic exercise you feel relaxed.

Peace and Gd bless you!
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:55 pm

camaleon wrote:
might as well say that playing basketball leads to harder drugs

Nobody says that, show me an article pointing out that.



There's plenty of research against the gateway drug theory- http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library ... y_myth.htm

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/m ... l-not-die/

There's many more but you can do the research yourself if you're really interested. If you are really interested in the subject of masonic/satanic control then you should see plain as day the evil of keeping drugs illegal. The entire Drug war has ended many lives either through death or imprisonment- many cartels funded by the CIA themselves.

camaleon wrote:Mmmmh, now I see clearly. And I'm not shocked. I think you couldn't live in any muslim country. Well, maybe in Turkey (there are more liberals).


Oh believe me, most "Muslim" countries have laws that have nothing to do with Islam and more about politics and government control over people's lives. That's why you see so much revolt in the Middle east today against oppressive rulers. People still do these things in Muslim countries when the police aren't looking- and they'll do it in any country really. If you go to a place like Amsterdam where it is legal in smoke shops- people really don't see the big deal about Marijuana. Making it illegal in the first place is the reason dangerous drug cartels get powerful and kids are drawn to the "forbidden".



Nope! Why don't you put it like that: What you're saying is akin to thinking that most sports promote gay behavior since a coach will hint about kissing a football player in the mouth.


huh?


Is not very very different, I mean all that gay think didn't came out suddenly or overnight, all the changes not just gay things but all sexualization on the media comes G-R-A-D-U-A-L-L-Y, otherwise all that sexual oriented tendencies could have been stopped in its tracks by the citizens. The proof is that now you can see SNSD girls looking more 'social' and like they're the prize. Am I right? I mean I'm putting a very clear example.


Well those are 2 very different subjects here, its a bit hard to follow you. On one hand SNSD have been doing some more "social" things in their music videos, but at the same time they're just like they way they always were in other media if you just do some quick searches on youtube. But when it comes to the gay behavior, I know what clips you are talking about when they're just playing around like they're going to kiss each other but don't and laugh about it. That's just how really happy and excited young girls connect! They're comfortable with each other but its not sexual. Its not the same with men no matter how much you make that comparison.


BTW, I can't remember any eastern video showing a swastika. Interesting. (not trying to prove anything here just a comment).


That's fine, my point is more that the symbols don't have to mean to you what they mean to other people.

Do you know why masons use those older symbols? Because they're trying to unify all religions and mainly old pagan traditions (some demonic ones): http://www.archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil I'm not forcing anything! I know that Not all institutions are linked but some, check this out, why a very important bank (elite people) has masonic and weird imagery? Coincidence? Analysis of the Occult Symbols Found on the Bank of America Murals: http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5638 Now, ask yourself, Why these institutions (banks, MTV, etc) share those symbols? Coincidence? If you can control the financial world and the media you can have a very heavy influence on the minds of the people.


Here's the thing- you're going all over the place. Just because certain institutions share certain symbols, doesn't mean that any instance the phrase "New World" is used it refers to New World Order. The phrase "New World" is so common that its just completely disingenuous to make the correlations that you're making.

Even still, symbols do nothing by themselves. Its all about how you relate to the symbols. If you believe them to be associated with demons then it'll have that effect on you. If you don't, it just won't.


OMG ! You're calling SNSD more than ignorants !
If you call the producers ignorants, what are SNSD girls then?


Yes they could be ignorant towards westerner's feelings on particular, but they're not marketed towards the west. Most all cultures take parts of other cultures into their media- they aren't purposefully trying to get people who are not in their market angry, its just a creative device that looks interesting. Judeo/Christian/Islamic mythology is very mysterious and has lots of allure for people who aren't familiar with it- so its useful in an artistic fashion. Being ignorant isn't a crime, its ok.


Now, seriously, I think you mentioned something important here, even satanists and high degree masons think they're good people, even if they're promoting drugs and other things, why? Because some of them think that Lucifer is the good one and that YHWH is the evil one. You see some of them have very twisted views of core concepts like good and evil, and that's because they came from an old lineage of satanists, I mean they think that waht they're doing is right (when that's not the case). Or also means that elite western people controls them.


Well sure, but the evil they do is much more obvious and in plain sight than some music videos and stupid imagery here and there. The real evil is in the economic and military policies that are set by countries around the world that bring people starvation and poverty. I personally think all this worry about some mason symbol on a korean music video is a complete distraction if you want to talk about evil. Its a bit disgusting actually to even compare it to real problems.

Artistic direction???
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=4268
Did you see that Narsha video: Narsha’s video Bbi-Ri-Bop-A:
Narsha is wearing Jesus Christ’s crown of thorns in front of a solar halo.
Narsha is dressed like the Virgin Mary.
Narsha changes into a crow.
Narsha stops and unfolds big black wings, in a tribute to Lucifer, the Fallen Angel. Only a blind can't see it !


Lol, not everyone sees the world like you do. You think of it as complete blasphemy, they're thinking of it as a way to get sales and create hype. You and websites like those do all their promotion for them! I never even heard of Narsha until this thread. This doesn't make her evil its just a music video and they're trying to make it "out there" to get attention. Just like social alphas do certain things for attention doesn't make them evil, it just means they have some different values. Real evil is much more plain in sight and doesn't waste time with music videos, they're actively killing people right now.

Nope, there's no ignorance there, there are many christians, well not the majority of the Korean population but it's growing, and just because the people who has more power are not christians (this is obvious) then they do those videos.


Of course theres a lot of christians in Korea. But the majority almost always treats the minority with much ignorance. Theres a whole lot of ignorance about Islam in the United States despite all the Muslims that live in this country. Thats just how things are right now unfortunately.

Believe me, I'm not the only one, I know that many are seeing the same. Perhaps the girls don't know these symbols, maybe they didn't care, anyway they're famous and they get paid. Perhaps they don't care to wear less clothes and to show more skin, maybe they don't care to wear a necklace with a weed leaf, as fame is like a drug (so addictive), at least they earn a good amount of money and they're always in the spotlight.


Some things I see where you're coming from, other times I think you go too far. Either way, I think that if you have no emotional attachment to a symbol it holds no power over you. Marijuana isn't physically addictive by the way- its only addictive in the sense that every activity can be addictive, such as watching TV or using the internet.

I've to agree with you on that about that nothing will influence you unless you've attached certain beliefs to it. Now the masonic, illuminati imagery does not have any influence on me. Why? Because I KNOW IT. And you could say, but before camaleon said anything about the NWO I didn't give that shit any value! Yes, but that's partially true, 'cause the aim of the Elite is that you love those symbols by association, I mean, the human mind associates certain people with certain circumstances whether good or bad.


The all-seeing eye has been used on the back of the dollar bill for a long time- but if you talk to anybody about it they all think its weird no one has "love" for that symbol. I think you give people too little credit. I personally think that negative imagery such as porn is so powerful in regards to people building a relationship with it is because most people actively masturbate and build a real physiological relationship with such things.

The same happen with symbols: watching cute girls displaying masonic and satanic signs and symbols creates that association in the mind, but more on the subconscious side. And I come again here wit the example about the sports' stadiums, why do you think publicists pay thousands of dollars of advertisements if people don't go to the stadiums to watch ads???


Well I think you oversimplify what occurs. Like if I see a cute girl dancing around with a pitchfork- the pitchfork loses its power as an evil symbol. The natural energy of a woman completely overpowers social symbols of that nature- not the other way around.

And if you ask them about the adverts there, almost no one could mention even 1 brand, but then they go out when the match ends and bought something their subconscious mind caught, but again if you ask them why, they can't tell why they chose that brand, they think is 'their' choice, but is not their rational choice.
And the symbols play a big role, as they're the 'bond' to unify people and give them the sense of belonging. That's why there are different nations unified with a flag, your language, etc., even though they're just mental concepts they give you a certain identity.


Well of course, but where are these people that have submitted to Satan after watching some music videos with cutesy girls? My guess is none. Of course you could say "How would you know that?" I could say the same thing to your claim that people can't tell why they chose a certain brand. Thats not been my experience at all. Quite the opposite. Perhaps its just the people we hang around with? I don't know too many people, young or old who are as impressionable as the ones you seem to know with the only exception being when it comes to men identifying social alphas with sex.

The thing is that you believe that they have to put always the whole phrase "New World Order", perhaps you think they have to tell you clearly what it is the NWO all about, ha, keep dreaming.


Again with this logic->You promote the New World order and masons more than anyone else. Perhaps you think of yourself as warning people, but in reality you're throwing these symbols in my face and associating everything under the sun with Satanism.

I'd better stay alert, staying alert is not the same as being paranoic, and as I've been saying here many times I have no fear, but I know that I'm not gonna do (receive the mark of the beast), but sadly according to the Bible many people are gonna be deceived, because the future world leader will bring peace and other good things, but what many people are not gonna realize is that previous to that peace they (the Elite) created the war and the chaos. Remember the masonic trait about Order out of Chaos? Or Thesis, Antithesis, Sinthesys?


Perhaps you should see this as a sign of grace that you have the luxury of staying alert about things like this when other people in less wealthy parts of the world try to stay alert about just being alive. I personally find all of this talk to be very self-serving, and that real christians(and muslims alike) should be out providing real help to people instead of wasting time on what bad things "could" happen when bad and TANGIBLE things are happening right now. Of course I don't intend to convince you of anything- I just think its fun to talk about things like this.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:26 am

About drugs, sorry bro your data is outdated.

And some interesting facts about legalization...

Here you have updated data:
http://www.dfaf.org/

Marijuana - Questions and Answers
http://www.dfaf.org/questions-answers/marijuana

The controversy that surrounds the legalization of marijuana as a medicine or for personal use continues to be a topic for debate at the state and federal levels within our country. Is marijuana really harmful and addictive? Does it help bring relief to those who are sick? What about compassion? It’s human nature to want to help others. There are so many questions people must have when they are asked to make medical decisions about the health and well-being of others. It doesn’t seem fair for the public to be burdened with decisions that should clearly be made by doctors and scientists. We hope this section will help you make informed decisions about marijuana.

Does marijuana have medicinal value?
· Yes. Research to date has found limited clinical value in one compound of its FDA approved form, not in its smoked or raw form.
· Smoking is an ineffective and illogical way to deliver medicine – dosage cannot be regulated, and tar and other harmful compounds are delivered directly to the lungs along with any helpful cannabinoids (compounds in marijuana).
· In fact, Dr. Robert DuPont, former director of NIDA, says, “There is no acceptable role in modern medicine for using burning leaves as a drug delivery system because smoke is inherently unhealthy.”
· Other delivery methods aren’t safer either; vaporizing does not filter cancer-causing tar or other chemicals, and eating delivers the same damaging compounds as well as the insecticides and fungi found in unmonitored crops.
· Clinical research is being conducted into a controlled, tested, safe delivery system (that can be prescribed and managed) of the helpful cannabinoids of marijuana without any of the harmful chemicals or dangerous side effects.

Don't doctors prescribe marijuana?

· No. Doctors cannot prescribe a non-FDA approved substance; in medical excuse marijuana states only, they can recommend it.
· The FDA issued a statement against the use of smoked marijuana in 2006, and the Institute of Medicine study from 1999 found that marijuana should be researched but not used as a medicine in its raw form.
· Doctors are not covered by insurance for recommending a non-FDA approved drug, and there is an undetermined impact on a patient’s right to sue for malpractice.
· Although many support cannabinoid research, most of the major medical associations in the US are against the use of smoked or raw marijuana.

Doesn't marijuana help with some diseases

· Cancer and HIV/AIDS – The pill form of the active chemical in marijuana (dronabinol) can be helpful for the nausea associated with chemotherapy or the wasting disease that appears with AIDS, but many other medicines that have been tested as safe and more effective are preferred by oncologists. Smoked marijuana has been proven to damage the immune system, cause premalignant cellular changes in the lungs and impair lung function, leaving immune-suppressed patients more vulnerable to infection.
· Multiple sclerosis – Patients in various stages of the disease may perceive that their spasticity is partially relieved, but studies show that spasticity is made worse, not better.
· Chronic pain – Not in its raw form with accompanying undesirable side effects, but there are hopeful studies in animals that suggest a molecule similar to the cannabinoids in marijuana could be isolated and used in pain relief. The lead researcher cautions: “It is a big step to go from a successful animal model to treating humans in pain.”
· Glaucoma – Smoked marijuana has never been shown to be better or even just as good as existing drugs for relieving eye pressure, and its use brings with it many more side effects than the approved medicines.

What are the risks of smoking marijuana?
· Physical – Respiratory damage, increased risk of lung cancer, increased heart rate, reproductive damage in both sexes and immunosuppression.
· Psychological – Paranoia, emotional disorders, increased risk of schizophrenia and other neuropsychiatric disorders, memory loss, increased tolerance to intoxication, addiction to marijuana and other drugs (especially with its increasing potency), loss of ability to concentrate and loss of inhibition.
· Legal – No matter what laws are passed locally or statewide, marijuana is illegal on the federal level - a ruling upheld by the Supreme Court and enforced by federal officials.

But how can a naturally grown herb be harmful?
· Arsenic and belladonna are naturally occurring also and quite lethal. Many medicines are derived from plants but are neither safe nor distributed in their raw form because of complications with dosage measurements and negative side effects.
· Tobacco is a plant that grows naturally and was once thought to be safe, even medicinal, but has caused a great deal of damage to our society.
· Alcohol is a natural result of the fermentation process, but we pay a heavy price for its legal abuse.

Since raw marijuana isn’t a medicine, why do some people want to “medicalize” it?
· Many who claim to need marijuana medicinally simply want to use it recreationally. In states with marijuana dispensaries, the vast majority of “patients” are young men between the ages of 18 and 25, not the cancer or AIDS victims used in voter ads to exploit our compassionate nature.
· The claim that smoked marijuana is medicinal is a tactic to legalize marijuana for any purpose and to eventually legalize other drugs for personal use.
· There is great potential to make a lot of money through the sale of marijuana. Tobacco companies, who made a killing on cigarettes to the detriment of so many, have already patented names for marijuana products.

But isn’t allowing marijuana for the treatment of health problems a compassionate thing to do?
· Not really. “Medicalizing” this harmful substance has caused truly ill people to refuse proper medical care, thinking that because marijuana makes them feel better they are getting better. Medical practitioners and others who are truly concerned for the sick have higher standards and greater compassion – we want the ill to receive the medicine they need.
· The medical excuse marijuana movement has become a device used by special interest groups to exploit the sick and dying and well-meaning voters for their own purposes.
· Rev. Scott Imler, Co-Founder of Prop 215 (California’s medical marijuana law) said, “We created Prop 215 so that patients would not have to deal with black market profiteers. But today it is all about the money. Most of the dispensaries operating in California are little more than dope dealers with store fronts.”

We’re not making this up – ask the librarian if you’d like more information.
http://www.dfaf.org/contact

Did you know?
In 1994, New York City spent 774 million dollars on foster care. 77% of that was spent on care for children of substance abusing parents.
http://www.dpna.org/Images/Main%20Doc_Layout_English.pdf

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http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/march96/harms_way.html

"It is time to state the truth. ... The legalization movement is cruel because it would create more addicts, more abused children, more victims of muggings and robbery, millions every single year. It is selfish because it would move the burden of fighting drugs from the totality of society to neighborhoods that already suffer most. It is both cruel and selfish because it glides over the ruined lives of those who abuse drugs, legally or not," he stated.

Not all substance abusers can give up their addictions cold turkey, says Marlatt. So advocates believe, for example, that it is far better to help a problem drinker to cut back on the quantity of alcohol he consumes than it is to deny him treatment altogether.
Marlatt likes to use the analogy of a thermometer. When an activity gets "too hot" or dangerous, counselors seek to bring the temperature down by reducing the harmful consequences of the behavior a step at a time. If there is a raging 104-degree fever, at first you try to bring it down a degree or two rather than all the way back to 98.6.
"The idea is to reduce harm by degrees and just a few can make a big difference," explains Marlatt. "Unfortunately, we have an all or nothing approach in our society."
Others, however, doubt moderation will work. "To ask a recovered addict to engage in `responsible heroin shooting' or a compulsive gambler to play for just small amounts is to ignore the whole psychology and physiology of addiction," wrote the late Seattle University psychologist and alcoholism authority James Royce. "Alcoholism is not a simple learned behavior that can be unlearned, but a habitual disposition that has profoundly modified the whole person, mind and body."
NYU Professor Nahas agrees. "There is no step-by-step," he says, adding that the pattern of drug addiction is ingrained in the genetic strcture of the brain. "The brain of the addict is incapable of refusing the drug. We're dealing with a biological phenomenon, an altered brain that can only save itself by stopping taking the drug entirely."

The disease model considers addicts to be sick people suffering from biological or genetic illness and is most often linked to alcoholics. This approach tries to reduce the supply of drugs by cutting the individual's demand or desire for illegal substances through treatment.
Both of these models are anchored by a belief in "zero tolerance." Much of present American drug policy and treatment are based on this concept. Contemporary policy tars any use of illegal drugs, whether it is an occasional use of marijuana or a daily habit of heroin, with the same unyielding brush. Similarly, virtually all alcohol and drug treatment programs insist on total abstinence as a precondition. Neither the crime nor the disease model attempts to distinguish between light and heavy use and simply considers all use equally criminal or sick.
"Harm reduction tries to step back from labeling human behavior right or wrong, legal or illegal. It only looks at whether that behavior is helpful or harmful to the individual and society," explains Marlatt.
"It shifts the focus away from drug use or other dangerous habits to the consequences of addictive behavior and it offers a wide range of possible ways designed to reduce those harmful consequences.

Nahas states that since decriminalization The Netherlands has seen "a significant increase in the smoking of marijuana and the uses of other drugs and a marked increase in criminality." He cited studies that show a 30 percent increase in drug-related seizures due to heroin and cocaine use and a 33 percent increase in deaths due to firearms from 1988 to 1993.
"The Netherlands has become the drug center of Europe," he declares. Asked why the Dutch tolerate this situation, he replies, "The government doesn't want to change the policy. The drug traffickers and drug pushers have too much influence. But there is a strong movement among the public to change it."
"Places that have tried decriminalization or legalization have either rescinded liberalized laws or are currently rethinking them based on the increase of crime and other social problems," says Susan Kaplin, a researcher at Drug Watch International, a private drug-prevention agency.
Kaplin feels that prevention, not harm reduction, will win the war on drugs. "Harm reductionists have claimed that prevention and the war on drugs have not worked, despite the multitude of studies which clearly show that prevention programs for young people do work," she says.

In solving alcohol or drug addiction, Nahas disagrees. "I believe in the straightforward, medical solution--abstinence." Particularly for drug abuse, harm reduction has "dismally failed in the past," he adds. "I favor the rational, historical and moral solution of this problem." He wonders why a society would allow the use of a substance "that impairs the mind of man, his progeny and society, inviting disasters for future generations."
Widespread acceptance of harm reduction certainly won't come quickly. But as drugs, alcohol and AIDS continue to ravage society and the debate on how to solve these problems goes on, harm reduction adherents believe their ideas should be carefully tested, not dismissed out of hand.
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http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/experts/cnbslegl.html

Cannabis and Legalization Issues in the United Kingdom:
Research Used in Blocking the Proposed "Royal Commission on Cannabis"
Susan Kaplin, Senior Researcher, International Drug Strategy Institute.

In February, 1994, a "Royal Commission on Cannabis" was proposed to "review the prohibition of the use of cannabis and to examine alternative options for control of the drug within the law". It was noted in this proposed motion that there is a "growing body of evidence which testifies to the medicinal and therapeutic properties of cannabis and its relative safety compared with other legalized drugs".
However, an amendment was made and passed stating that increased penalties for possession of cannabis set by the government were welcomed "in the light of overwhelming medical evidence that cannabis leads to poor short-term memory and learning problems, lung damage and cancer risks that are 50-70 per cent greater than those associated with tobacco use, reduced immunity producing cells, and impairment of heart function: (it is noted that) cannabis causes greater organic brain damage than any other drug with the possible exception of PCP and the end stages of alcoholism; and that the effect of one cannabis cigarette lasts five or six times as long as one unit of alcohol". It was then stated that "(this House) deplores any moves towards the legalization of cannabis, based on the experience in Alaska where such a move was abandoned in 1990, having led to the increased use of both soft (sic) and hard (sic) drugs, increased drug related crime and increased health care costs".

The facts on cannabis are not a "form of outdated propaganda". It should be pointed out that most of the studies cited in the pro-legalization letter are outdated - documenting the evidence that "no detrimental effects (of cannabis) can be proved," when examining reference 1-13, eight of these are from the 1970s, one is from 1982, two are from the 1990s (both of these sources, High Times and HEMP, "Help Eliminate Marijuana Prohibition," are pro-cannabis) and two are listed as "1893-4" and "1944". The majority of the research cited in the letter, therefore, is outdated. This is a major problem because medical research in general has advanced technically since the 1970s. The "long-term" studies cited in the letter are from 1977 (Greek study) and 1975 (Jamaican study). It should be noted that recent studies are able to assess the longer term effects of cannabis, using more advanced research techniques (see below for examples). In addition, the study cited in the letter which examined the effect of cannabis on the immune system was from 1976. This is before AIDS was discovered. More recent studies on the immune system (how it works and what affects it) have occurred since 1976 and these studies show the impairing effect cannabis has on the immune system (see below for more detail).
The following are some examples of more recent research to counter the research claims mentioned in the letter:
Effects on memory:
A carefully controlled study by Richard Schwartz; Georgetown University; Washington D.C. directly studied the effect of cannabis on memory (and examined other studies) and concluded that the use of cannabis "impairs short term memory well beyond the period of intoxication". (Cannabis: Physiopathology. Epidemiology Detection 1993), not solely during the period of intoxication, as written in the letter (based on information from 1973).
Cardiovascular/respiratory and carcinogenic effects:
Numerous studies on humans which examined the effects of marijuana on lung cell tissue have indicated that the adverse effects of marijuana smoke in various contents equal or surpass the similar effects of tobacco smoke ("Government's Supplemental Memorandum Re: Health Effects of Marijuana," in the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii by the U. S. Attorney in Hawaii, 1992). This report also documents that marijuana contains a total of 421 chemicals, which include a variety of toxins and cancer-inducing chemicals. This finding was replicated after the United States Public Health 'Service ordered a study by the nations' top scientists at the National Institute of Health. A one year review of data concluded "marijuana cigarette smoke contains a complex mixture of over 400 compounds including polyareomatic hydrocarbons which are carcinogenic" (1992) (The letter states that there are other ways to ingest cannabis than smoking it, however, the majority of cannabis users smoke it).
The U. S. Attorney in Hawaii's report also included citation of studies showing that marijuana has substantial adverse health effects not previously suspected - including impairing effects on brain tissue and psychological functioning and damage to reproductive and immunological systems which are also cited in this document.
Immunity:
In 1993, Virginia Medical College (USA) found that THC damages the immune system and reduces the ability to fight disease (including AIDS). Also last year, Cabral and Vasquez from the Department of Microbiology and Immunology (Medical College of Virginia, USA) reported that cellular immunity and pulmonary immunity are impaired and it is now documented that there is an impaired ability to fight infections in humans.
The metabolism of cannabis:
The metabolism of cannabis is not "similar to alcohol" as written in the letter. It has been found that cannabinoid urinary metabolites may be detected 3-5 days after occasional smoking and up to 77 days after chronic use (5 cigarettes a day) (Paul Latargue, Institut de Recherche Criminelle de la Gendarmerie, France, 1993). Marijuana differs substantially from alcohol and other drugs which are water soluble - marijuana is fat soluble and as such accumulates in the brain, adrenal glands, liver, kidneys, heart, and sexual organs. Being fat soluble, THC and other cannabinoids tend to remain in the body long after the mind-altering effects of the drug have ceased, unlike water-soluble alcohol ("Government's Supplemental Memorandum Re: Health Effects of Marijuana," in the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii by the U.S. Attorney in Hawaii, 1992).
The long-term effects of cannabis: In contrast to the statements in the letter that harmful long term effects of cannabis use have not been found, the Center for Brain Research in California (Gilkeson) and Oxford University (Paton) have found that the long term presence of the fat soluble molecules of cannabis do cause damage to the brain. Cell damage has also been found (University of Toulouse, University of Utah and University of Toronto). It is therefore not accurate to state, as noted in the letter, that "all effects are reversible". Also, as stated before, lung damage occurs from smoking.
In regard to Alaska:
Cannabis was decriminalized, not legalized, through the Alaska Supreme Court and through the initial support of police primarily because they first thought crime would decrease. However, cannabis use and problem use went up (with heavy increases in health and social costs). An important factor in rescinding decriminalization was the response of the police, who saw first hand the problems caused by decriminalization. Whether or not there was a direct cause and effect relationship between cannabis decriminalization and the increase in crime, decriminalization was seen to have failed. In seeing this failure, the police who had initially supported decriminalization fully supported rescinding the law.
"Legalization could provide significant benefits to society," as claimed in the letter, is not true when examining cities that tried decriminalization.
In addition to Alaska's experience with decriminalization, when examining the effects of their lenient cannabis laws, the Dutch policy has been associated with a progressive increase in cannabis use among 15- 19 year old (from 4% in 1984 to over 8% in 1989). Between 1984 and 1988, the use of cannabis increased by almost 100% among upper high school students in the Netherlands. The policy of "harm reduction@' has not prevented a steady and significant rise in drug addiction (cannabis, cocaine and opiates) among 15-19 year olds and young adults. ("Drug Reform: The Dutch Experience," Richard H. Schwartz, 1993). The Dutch Institute on Alcohol and Drugs recently questioned 8,000 young people and also found that the percentage of students smoking cannabis has more than doubled in four years (from 3% in 1984 to 7% in 1988). (Guardian 9 November 1993).
It should also be noted that references in the letter to support the claim that "legalization could provide significant benefits to society" included three sources of information from the 1970s. In addition, the two 1993 resources are by pro-cannabis, and thus, biased, authors.
Finally, in contrast to the 1993 report, cited in the letter, on the decreased health costs and lower absenteeism of drug-using employees in Utah Power and Light and Georgia Power (originally appearing in High Times, a pro-cannabis and therefore, biased publication), it should be noted that over 85% of the largest employers in the USA use urinalysis drug testing as a means of preventing illegal drug use on and off the job. Several studies have been conducted that examine work performance of employees using illegal drugs compared with those who have tested negatively for such drugs.
For example, at the U.S. Postal Service, the biggest employer in the USA, 300 people who tested positively for illegal drugs were compared with non-drug users who started work at the same time. After eight months, accident rates, injury, absenteeism, and disciplinary problems were found to be far higher for the illegal drug users than for non-drug users. (Supervisors did not know which employees tested positive for drugs). Those who tested positive had higher termination and turnover rates than the no-drug user. After 16 months, absenteeism, termination, and turnover rates increased even more for the drug-users. The U. S. Postal Service has decided to do pre-employment drug testing to save 62 million dollars a year and decrease absenteeism, turnover, and accidents ("Testing for Illicit Drugs in the Workplace," Peter Bensinger, Former Director, Drug Enforcement Administration, Washington D.C.) (Cannabis: Physiopathology. Epidemiology, Detection, 1993).
In addition, it was recently found (March 1994) that drug use and resulting disciplinary problems by some Chicago postal employees has resulted in the nondelivery of nearly 10,000 pieces of mail, some of which was dumped and burned. This problem has had a major effect on the people and business in the areas affected.
In conclusion, it is clear that the defeat of the proposed "Royal Commission on Cannabis" is based on factual and recent research and is a positive move to support prevention.
For further information:
"Information on Cannabis," 1993. "Issues in the Prevention Field: The Definition of Prevention, Prevention Research and Legalisation of Cannabis," 1993. "The Effects of Drug Laws on Crime and Other Social Problems in the UK," 1993. "The Effects of Harm Reduction and Prevention: An International Assessment," 1994.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:29 am

Either way, I think that if you have no emotional attachment to a symbol it holds no power over you

Right, NOW I have NOT any emotional attachment, why? Because I know the meaning !

The all-seeing eye has been used on the back of the dollar bill for a long time-but if you talk to anybody about it they all think its weird no one has "love" for that symbol.

Not yet, Rome wasn’t built in one day !
But, how about that association MONEY=ALL-SEEING EYE?
And in the future NWO you are not gonna be able to sell or buy anything without the mark of the beast and you are gonna live under constant surveillance from the Police State.

I personally think that negative imagery such as porn is so powerful in regards to people building a relationship with it is because most people actively masturbate and build a real physiological relationship with such things.

Just as you could build a relationship with completely strange girls (pop stars) and their lyrics by default.
And is a fact that during concerts people got very emotional even to the level of getting histeric !
So you could say that you build also a real physiological realtionship with such things (symbols, imagery and meanings). Again, at least I know the meaning of the symbols.

The natural energy of a woman completely overpowers social symbols of that nature- not the other way around.

I think that quite the opposite that could REINFORCE the nature of the symbols, sometimes conscious and other times subconsciously.

You promote the New World order and masons more than anyone else. Perhaps you think of yourself as warning people, but in reality you're throwing these symbols in my face and associating everything under the sun with Satanism.

So you’re blaming me of promoting masons ? ? ? ! ! !

Come on ! Telling masons are evil is promoting them??? Ridiculous !
According to that ‘logic’ is like saying Rion is promoting sexplotaition
just because he talks against it ! ! !

Or that if I told you about the risks of taking drugs then I’m encouraging you
to do drugs and/or promoting drugs ! ! !

What about A.A. they must be promoting alcoholism !

If they like abrahamic religions, then why they almost only take the masonic elements?

I didn’t throw the simbolism in the first place. They do. They’re using and displaying those symbols.

Imagine if the comunists never existed in the past, like if the elite would like to bring communism nowadays, so then they begin by exposing hammers and sickles on videoclips, people watch those symbols obviously that doesn’t mean they suddenly are going to decide to be farmers.
imagine that they also use popstars to display that imagery.
So years later due to the long exposure to those imagery associated with pop stars the now new adults have the chance to vote, they could have a high chance of voting for the communists.
And the communist didn’t even have to mention all their ideology.
So all their agenda went in stealth mode just by association.

I'm not associating everything with satanism.
If that’d be the case then I’would have said that eating chillis is satanic just because you felt like fire on the tongue!
Or that a car with flames painted on it is satanic because of the flames .

That way I’d be associating everything with satanism and then you could call me whatever adjective you would like to.

I personally find all of this talk to be very self-serving, and that real christians(and muslims alike) should be out providing real help to people instead of wasting time on what bad things "could" happen when bad and TANGIBLE things are happening right now.

Believe me, I’ve done that, as a matter of fact I remember when I saw where an old couple lived I couldn’t help but I cried like a child, they were living in misery, you don’t value what you have until you know and help these people.
And later thank God the oldman confessed me a lot of things some night and he died the next day in peace.

Besides I worked for about 5 years in a NGO working to help poor people, sometimes extra hours like when there were natural disasters both national and international, making packages (water, food, clothes, etc).
Turkey, Colombia, just to name a few.
And that’s not boasting since no one knows my real name.

So for me BOTH THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.

You could thing that the NWO has nothing to do with you, but it concerns your future.
Even there's something very important concerning muslims, but I think that maybe you're not really a muslim and is just a facade so why do I bother.

Is Jonathon a common muslim name ???
Just asking.

Now I know that I could have Jonathon focusing on my posts as long as I want, because he always
reply to what I have to say.
But don't worry amigo I'll left this forum soon.

So I KNOW here it comes Jonathon’s reply...
GO ON...
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jared2010 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:49 am

Well, Peace is not the same as Security...
One can be at Peace in the midst of mundane
chaos and gehenna, without any sign of safety.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:10 am

jared2010 wrote:Well, Peace is not the same as Security...
One can be at Peace in the midst of mundane
chaos and gehenna, without any sign of safety.


I definitely feel that way.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:14 am

camaleon wrote:
Even there's something very important concerning muslims, but I think that maybe you're not really a muslim and is just a facade so why do I bother.



lol that's a silly thing to say. You could come to NYC and visit me if you want- I usually go to ICNA Muslim center in Queens in the jamaica area.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:40 am

camaleon wrote:About drugs, sorry bro your data is outdated.



Sorry bro, its your data that's outdated->
"2.0 THE TOXICOLOGY OF THC
It is our position that THC is one of the least toxic chemicals that humans ingest. At
normal doses, there is no evidence of genetic damage due to THC exposure or effects
on fertility, pregnancy, or offspring. Similarly, there is no evidence of damage to the
hormonal or immune systems. These statements apply to humans who ingest large
quantities of marijuana daily, and much more so to humans who ingest trace
amounts of THC through hemp foods. Ingestion through hemp bodycare products
is completely undocumented and highly unlikely.
Research that finds damaging effects of THC generally falls into one of two
categories: 1) studies that are not replicated by later research using more appropriate
experimental designs; and 2) studies that use massive quantities of THC, far beyond
the doses employed by heavy marijuana users."

"2.4 Immune System
"Cell experiments and animal studies demonstrate that THC has
suppressive effects on the humoral and cell-mediated immunity.
However, the majority of those can be attributed to toxic unspecific
effects. Many analysed parameters required extremely high doses to
exhibit any significant effect and the effects were dose-dependent with
the threshold concentration being precisely determinable. When
applying lower doses, one often observed differentially
immunostimulating effects or no effects at all. For many immune
parameters the NOEL is ... irrelevant to the human consumption
situation. In studies of man or of cells of marijuana users the effects
observed were often contradictory. If such effects were found at all,
they were weak even in case of heavy cannabis use and of questionable
relevance to health. The World Health Organisation summarised in
its most recent cannabis report: 'Many of their effects appear to be
relatively small, totally reversible after removal of the cannabinoids,
and produced only at concentrations or doses higher than those
required for psychoactivity (WHO, 1997, p. 27)'" (Grotenhermen et al,
1998, p. 53)."

A lot of those reports are extremely old so I don't know why you'd say my information is outdated. For example the point that decriminalization for the Dutch caused usage to go up, ignores the fact that now usage is way way down even compared to places where its completely illegal like the United States.

That website is such hard propaganda- for example this
In 1994, New York City spent 774 million dollars on foster care. 77% of that was spent on care for children of substance abusing parents.


Why not mention that the majority of that substance abuse was prescription drugs and alcohol in a conversation about marijuana? Because its propaganda.

Most of your information notes smoking to be the dangerous part of taking marijuana. Well its a no brainer that smoking is bad for you. You don't have to smoke it, you can just eat it. Why wouldn't those crops be monitored compared to other crops? If it was legal producers would have every incentive to make sure its safe for their consumers just like every other product.

The arguments that it would INCREASE crime are not based in reality. The Drug war is what's increased crime. In the inner cities drug gangs get their money BECAUSE drugs are illegal so the prices skyrocket. If they were legalized the prices would drop and they'd have no more funding. There was a reason prohibition against alcohol didn't work and created Al Capone and powerful gangs(and poisonous moonshine). The United states has the largest prison population in the world and most of them are for drug offenses, that's ridiculous. If people are addicted to something that's a medical problem not a criminal problem.

But either way you miss the point. Just because the government decides something is illegal doesn't make it wrong or dangerous. The FDA has approved many prescription drugs that were later found to be very dangerous to certain segments of the population.

Eating fast food everyday is definitely detrimental to one's health, but I'm not going to throw anyone in prison for it.

Lol our conversation is kinda all over the place, anyway take it easy man I don't mind if you use this forum or don't use this forum, I don't get to talk to people like you often so its interesting.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby camaleon » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:14 am

The arguments that it would INCREASE crime are not based in reality. The Drug war is what's increased crime. In the inner cities drug gangs get their money BECAUSE drugs are illegal so the prices skyrocket. If they were legalized the prices would drop and they'd have no more funding. There was a reason prohibition against alcohol didn't work and created Al Capone and powerful gangs(and poisonous moonshine). The United states has the largest prison population in the world and most of them are for drug offenses, that's ridiculous. If people are addicted to something that's a medical problem not a criminal problem.


Not based in reality???

Ha, ha, you don't know the hell all that the family of a drug-addict live ! ! !

My father worked in a rehab center for drug-addicts (most of them were in gangs), and believe me you can never imagine what is to be in their shoes (both them and their families).
It's a REAL NIGHTMARE !
And they create a social CHAOS ! And that includes VIOLENCE !
But yes, many times their crimes don't deserve the headlines.

But if you think that drugs are that good, perhaps when you'll have kids in the future, you'd like to spoon-feed them with marijuana LOL.
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Re: I want to explode...hehe

Postby jonathondd » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:19 am

Not based in reality???
Ha, ha, you don't know the hell all that the family of a drug-addict live ! ! !
My father worked in a rehab center for drug-addicts (most of them were in gangs), and believe me you can never imagine what is to be in their shoes (both them and their families).
It's a REAL NIGHTMARE !
And they create a social CHAOS ! And that includes VIOLENCE !
But yes, many times their crimes don't deserve the headlines.
But if you think that drugs are that good, perhaps when you'll have kids in the future, you'd like to spoon-feed them with marijuana LOL.


And why do you think those gangs are involved with drugs? Because they're illegal. That's what drives the price up to make it lucrative for these gangs. Illegal drugs = more gang activity-> more violence.

That's the point I'm trying to make. If alcohol was illegal- those gangs would be selling moonshine just like they sell impure heroin today. So many poor people have had bullets put through their heads because of this nutty war on drugs- there's no reason to believe the propaganda anymore when the results have been clear as day. Legalization would instantly destroy the profits of all these cartels. Money that went to fighting gangs and paying for the upkeep of horrible prisons can now be freed up to go towards more rehab centers for anyone who needs help.

Putting people in prison is a terrible thing. More rehab centers are fine for a medical problem such as drug addiction. There's no reason to turn it into a criminal problem by making it illegal. Those drug addicts your family dealt with is PROOF enough that criminalizing drugs does absolutely nothing to prevent substance abuse. I don't advocate heroin use- but I don't advocate putting heroin users in prison- that's what is truly immoral that people against drug legalization don't want to talk about.

Every drug is different- to compare marijuana to actually dangerous substances like heroin, cocaine, and alcohol just shows ignorance- which doesn't make you a bad person, lots of people believe the propaganda from the reefer madness generation.

I'm not going to spoon-feed my child marijuana just like I wouldn't spoon-feed them tylenol(which you can actually die from overdose, no one has ever died from marijuana overdose). That's a silly thing to say.

Anyway- this is the Natural grounding forum...and the discussion we're having is not really what this forum is all about, my bad for going at it for so long- you can PM me if you want to talk about it.
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